Carrying coals to Newcastle

An idiomatic way to say a task is pointless is to say it’s like carrying coals to Newcastle – Newcastle, in the north east of England, used to be a major coal mining area.

In French the equivalent is porter de l’eau à la rivière (to carry water to the river).

In German they say Eulen nach Athen bringen/tragen (to take/bring owls to Athens).

In Welsh there are quite a few equivalent expressions:

– cario glo i Fflint = to carry coal to Flint (a former coal mining area)
– cario dŵr dros afon = to carry water across a river
– bwrw heli yn y môr = to throw salt in the sea
– iro blonegen = to grease fat
– iro hwch â bloneg = to grease a sow with fat
– gwerthu mêl i berchen gwenyn = to sell honey to a bee keeper
– mynd i ‘ngheg i chwilio am fy nhafod = to go to my mouth and look for my tongue
– gyrru halen i’r Heledd = to send salt to a salt pit
– golchi traed alarch = to wash a swan’s feet
– taflu ‘fale i’r berllan = to throw apples into an orchard

What about in other languages?

Les mots de la semaine

français English Cymraeg
la honte shame cywilydd; gwarth
avoir honte de qch to be ashamed of sth cywiliddio; teimlo cywilydd; bod â chywilydd
faire honte à qn to make sb feel ashamed codi cywilydd ar rywun; cywilyddio rhywun
honte à vous ! shame on you! rhag cywilydd ichi!
shameless éhonté, effronté (without shame); impudique (immodest) digywilydd; hy
le mineur (coal) miner cloddiwr; mwynwr; glöwr
porter de l’eau à la rivière to carry coals to Newcastle cario dŵr dros afon

Multilingual conversations

A multilingual (French/Welsh/English) conversation

At the French conversation group I go to most weeks we usually stick to French most of the time, however when the leader of the group isn’t there or leaves early, as she did last week and the week before, we often switch to English and/or Welsh. Most members of the group speak Welsh, as well as English and French, so we quite often have trilingual conversations mixing all three languages in a wonderful way. I really enjoy such conversations, and it feels great being able to understand and use these languages in this way.

With other friends I may have one, two, or more languages in common, but it’s relatively unusual for a group people to have three or more languages in common, like in the French group.

Do you know groups of people with whom you can have multilingual conversations?

In how many different languages are your multilingual conversations?

One Person One Language (OPOL)

An illustration of a bilingual family

This post is based largely on an article by Francois Grosjean: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-bilingual/201504/one-person-one-language-and-bilingual-children

One popular way to raise bilingual children is for each parent to speak only their native language with their children. For example the father will speak English and the mother will speak Spanish, and the children will acquire both languages. At first the children might mix the languages, but they will soon come to associate one language with each parent. There is also a belief that if the parents mix languages, e.g. the Spanish-speaking parent sometimes speaks English, and the English-speaking parent sometimes speaks Spanish, the children will get confused.

Problems with the OPOL approach
There are problems with the OPOL approach – children is likely get more exposure to one language then to the other, and one language is likely to become dominant. The children may come to prefer that language, especially if both parents speak it, and the children may be able to understand but not speak the non-dominant language. This is quite often the case with minority languages like Welsh and Irish.

It can also be difficult to stick to OPOL when other people are around who only speak one of the languages. For example, if a Spanish/English family is with Spanish-speaking friends, does the parent who only speaks English with the children stick to English, even though the friends might not understand, or do they switch to Spanish? Parents can find such situations stressful and might adapt their approach to context and be more flexible rather than sticking rigidly to OPOL.

Does the OPOL approach actually work?
There are have been a number of the OPOL approach, including a notable one of 2,000 families by Annick De Houwer, which found that children in a quarter of the families did not become bilingual, and that in families where parents mixed languages, as many children became bilingual as in OPOL families.

What is the OPOL approach based on?
Given the popularity of the OPOL approach, you might think that it’s based on sound foundations of research and testing. This is not the case. It has probably been around for a long time, but the first reference to it in modern linguistic literature is in a book from 1913 by Jules Ronjat, a French linguist with a German wife. In 1908, when his son was born, Ronjat asked his colleague, Maurice Grammont, for advice on raising his son bilingually. In a letter Grammont advised Ronjat to speak only French to his son, and for his wife to speak only German. Since then many other people have discussed the OPOL approach, and often cite a book by Grammont, Observations sur le langage des enfants (Observations on Children’s Language) which was supposedly published in 1902, however does not in fact exist, according to François Grosjean. So the OPOL approach is based on the opinion of Maurice Grammont, who published nothing on language acquisition, as expressed in a letter to his colleague Jules Ronjat.

Have you tried or are you trying the OPOL approach?
Did it work / is it working for you?
What problems have you had with it?

Links
Life as a Bilingual: The reality of living with two (or more) languages (by Francois Grosjean, and Aneta Pavlenko)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/life-bilingual

Links to websites with information and advice about raising children bilingually
http://www.omniglot.com/links/bilingual.htm#kids

Articles about bilingualism
http://www.omniglot.com/language/articles/index.htm#bc

Language, accents and tourism

Arrr! Avast me hearties! Authentic pirate gibberish spoken here

I came across an interesting article today about ways to attract tourists with regional accents and languages. It discuses moves to encourage the use of French in parts of Canada and Louisiana, and Irish in Ireland, as well as regional accents in Newfoundland and in Skane in southern Sweden. People from the regions are promoting their languages and accents to attract visitors looking for ‘authentic’ experiences.

I certainly like to hear different accents and languages in parts of the UK and other countries I visit. When I meet people in such places who come from elsewhere and don’t have a local accent or speak the local language, I am somewhat disappointed. Although their way of speaking will probably be interesting to me anyway, even if it isn’t local to that region.

My own accent could not be defined as ‘authentic’ to the area where I grew up – the north of Lancashire. Instead it’s a kind of non-region specific British accent with influences from various places I’ve lived.

Do you enjoy hearing different accents, dialects or languages when you travel? Are you disappointed if people don’t speak in the way you expected?

Les mots de la semaine

français English Cymraeg
braiser; cuire à l’étouffée to braise mudstiwio; brwysio
bœuf braisé/mode/en daube braised beef cig eidion wedi ei frwysiedig
faire une purée de (pommes de terre) to mash (potatoes) mwtro/stwnsio/stompio (tatws)
une purée de pommes de terre mashed potatoes tatws stwmp/stwmsh; stwnsh tatws
le joint de culasse gasket gasged
casser/griller un joint de culasse to blow a gasket (car) chwythu gasged
péter un fusible; se mettre en colère to blow a fuse chwythu/llosgi ffiws
péter les plombs to blow one’s top gwylltio’n lân/ulw; colli’ch tymer; mynd ar gefn eich ceffyl
faire un bruit de pet to blow a raspberry hisian; hwtio; wfftio

Les mots de le semaine

français English Cymraeg
appuyer sur le champignon;
mettre les gaz
to put one’s foot down (to accelerate) rhoi dy droed ar y sbardyn; cyflymu
mettre les pieds dans le plat to put one’s foot in it rhoi’ch troed ynddi; cael caff gwag
faire de son mieux to put one’s best foot forward rhoi’r troed gorau ymlaenaf;
prysuro; brasgamu; estyn camau
se détendre to put one’s feet up cael (pum) munud; cael hoe fach;
cael seibiant; cael sbel, gorffwys
la grille railings rheiliau; barrau; rheilin
un accident (car) crash trawiad; gwrthdrawiad
avoir un accident de voiture to crash one’s car dryllio’ch ar; malu’ch car
emprunter (qch à qn) to borrow (sth from sb) benthyca (rhywbeth gan rywun);
cael benthyg (rhywbeth gan rywun)
prêter (qch à qn) to lend (sb sth) benthyca (rhywbeth i rwyun);
rhoi benthyg (rhywbeth i rwyun)
trembler to quake crynu
les régions sauvages (fpl) wilderness diffeithwch; anialwch; anialdir; gwylltir
l’espace (m) naturel wilderness area ardal wyllt/naturiol
en pleine traversée du désert in the wilderness (not prominent/active) yn y diffeitwch/anialwch;
allan o rym; heb rym
le chien courant; le chien de meute (hunting) hound bytheiad; helgi; ci hela
la meute the hounds; a pack (of hounds) cŵn; helgwn; haid o gŵn

A banana regime

I discovered yesterday that the French equivalent of a bunch of bananas is un régime des bananes. Régime also means (political) regime, (administrative) system, (engine) speed/revs, and un régime alimentaire is a diet.

Other French words for bunch include:

– un bouquet de fleurs = a bunch of flowers
– un trousseau de clés = a bunch of keys
– une grappe de raisin = a bunch of grapes
– une groupe de gens = a bunch of people
– les couettes = bunches (of hair)