Manchu in Beijing

Welcome in Manchu (eldenjire be urgunjeme okdombi)

Today I came across an article about efforts to save the Manchu language in China. There are currently around 10 million ethnic Manchus in China, but fewer than 100 of them speak Manchu and they are almost all elderly.

Recently a bloke called Wang Shuo, a construction designer in Beijing, started teaching Manchu language classes for free at weekends, after having taught himself the language using this website – a forum in Chinese and Manchu that includes Manchu language lessons.

Most of the students at Wang Shuo’s classes are ethnic Manchus who want to rediscover their historical identity through the language. One the these students also mentions that he would like to teach his children to speak Manchu. There are also two Han Chinese students who are learning the language out of intellectual curiosity.

The image on the right is the Manchu phrase ‘eldenjire be urgunjeme okdombi’, which means ‘welcome’, in the Manchu alphabet. It was sent to me by a Chinese friend who is trying to teach himself Manchu.

Comments (9)

Bode SheshomApril 26th, 2007 at 10:55 am

Hello, first of all I am so glad that I came across this blog and I haven’t even begun to explore it yet but I am really looking forward to it. I thought to just pop in a quick comment here about Manchu language. What was fascinating for me at the first glance was that it looked like arabic script, written vertically instead of from right to left and of course very different in form and how the letters are connected and all. So that’s it.

PollyApril 26th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

@Bode Sheshom:

I was going to say it looks like Arabic/Aramaic script rotated 90°. It’s a strange coincidence, since I doubt that Manchu is even distantly related.

Can anyone out there shed light on this striking similarity? Is it mere coincidence, or is there some history?

SimonApril 26th, 2007 at 5:24 pm

The Manchu alphabet was modelled on the Mongolian alphabet, which was adapted from the Old Uyghur alphabet, which was derived from the Sogdian alphabet, which developed from the Aramaic alphabet. Got there in the end!

PollyApril 26th, 2007 at 9:55 pm

Wow, so there IS a connection. Once again the Mongolians provide the connecting link from the far east to the near east.
Some of the letters still look related, “b”, others have completely morphed.

Did you know this off the top of your head, or did you go back and trace a path through your site?

SimonApril 27th, 2007 at 9:56 am

I knew some of the connections, but had to check them on my site to make sure I’d got them in the right order.

PollyApril 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pm

Bravo!
Omniglot is like a language learners notebook on steroids. Glad you decided to share it. :)

MiGrantApril 28th, 2007 at 12:14 am

Have you encountered the theory (probably too strong a word — hypothesis? wild unfalsifiable guess?) that the language of the Voynich Manuscript is Manchu?

Raymond SimApril 7th, 2008 at 12:27 pm

the website which you can self teach Manchu is no longer working. have they changed website address or are they inoperation now

SimonApril 7th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Raymond – the site has moved to manchusky.qq.topzj.com