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Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur le..

Postby rafaeru » Wed 17 Nov 2010 5:39 pm

Can you give me some tips and advices about conlanging?
Pouvez-vous me donner quelques trucs et astuces sur le conlanging?
Ps: Si vous parlez français, répondez en français.
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Postby linguoboy » Wed 17 Nov 2010 6:11 pm

Cette demande, c'est bien un peu vague, eh? Quelles sont les aspects particuliers qui posent des problèmes pour toi?
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Re: Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur le..

Postby rafaeru » Wed 17 Nov 2010 6:17 pm

Par exemple:
-Comment créer le vocabulaire?
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Postby linguoboy » Wed 17 Nov 2010 7:11 pm

rafaeru wrote:Par exemple:
-Comment créer le vocabulaire?

T'as essayé a utiliser LangMaker?
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Re: Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur le..

Postby IJzeren Jan » Thu 18 Nov 2010 1:29 am

rafaeru wrote:Can you give me some tips and advices about conlanging?
Pouvez-vous me donner quelques trucs et astuces sur le conlanging?
Ps: Si vous parlez français, répondez en français.

Hello! Well, your question is pretty... ahem, unclear. I can give you lots of tips and advices about conlanging, but it depends pretty much on how much experience you have, on the kind of language you want to create, etc.

In general, by all means do have a look at Mark Rosenfelder's "Language Construction Kit". Uncle Google will get you there in a minute. It's a great source for both beginning and advanced conlangers.

The best advice I can give you right now is this: ask yourself a few questions. Why do I want to create a language? What kind of language is it supposed to become? What do I want to use it for? Once you have an answer to these questions, start thinking about architecture. Creating a language is like building a big house: it's not just a matter of building stones and mortar, it starts with a plan. Make sure you start with good, well-defined design principles. They will be your guide from the beginning till the end. Then, start wondering about your building stones: create a phonology. Once you have sorted out which sound you are going to use, you can start wondering about orthography and grammar. Remember: if your idea is good and your design principles are good as well, then the language will pretty much create itself.

All this may sound like stating the obvious, but it is surprising how many beginning conlangers actually don't think about phonology or design principles at all, but start with filling tables and the like. I'm not saying a more intuitive/impromptu approach cannot turn a language into something good, but the odds are that you'd get stuck rather sooner than later.

Aha: one more thing. If you are a beginner, then I'd say, keep it simple, and learn from what you are doing. Don't expect that your first conlang will be The Conlang To End All Conlangs. In all likeliness, your second project will be better than your first, and your third project will be better than your second. That doesn't make your first project worthless, on the contrary: you will probably do a lot of research and acquire a lot of valuable knowledge and experience.

If there's anything you'd like to ask in particular, then don't hesitate!

Cheers,
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Re: Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur le..

Postby rafaeru » Thu 18 Nov 2010 8:11 am

Je veux créer le vocabulaire avec mes mains et du papier, comme Tolkien. Je ne veux pas avoir recours à des logiciels.

Voici les caractéristiques de ma langue:

-Langue minimaliste
-Vocabulaire a priori
-Mots d'une syllabe
-Phonologie: (C)V(V)(-N)
-Pas de tons comme en chinois
-Totale liberté dans l'ordre des mots(particules comme en japonais)
-Tous les mots sont invariables

I want to create the vocabulary with my hands and paper, like Tolkien. I don't want to use softwares.

These are the characteristics of my language:

-Minimalist language
-A priori vocabulary
-One-syllable words
-Phonology: (C)V(V)(-N)
-No tones like in Chinese
-Total liberty in words order(particles like in Japanese)
-Every words are invariable
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Re: Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur le..

Postby rafaeru » Thu 18 Nov 2010 8:13 am

Ma langue est supposée devenir une IAL.
My language is supposed to be an IAL.
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Re: Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur

Postby Kloiten » Tue 22 Feb 2011 9:10 am

Alors, tu pourrais la donner une vocabulaire simple pour commencer et puis construire des mots plus compliqués. La méthode devrait simple pour comprendre mais fais attention: tout le monde ne pense pas les mêmes choses; suppose que tu aies demandé de deux personnes de construire le mot «mot» pour ta langue. Pour un, le mot «mot» pourrait avoir le sens «ce que vient de la bouche» et pour l'autre, le mot pourrait avoir le sens «la chose qu'on dit et entend une réponse». Qu'est-ce que ce serait, la résulte? Voilà est la plus grande problème qu'on rencontre en conlanguant.

Le conlanguing est très difficile comme tu as déjà probablement vu. Mais c'est pas impossible! Si tu essayerais, tu verras que tu saurais les créer sans problème. Je crois que tu n'auras pas de grandes problèmes mais si tu t'es coincé tu peux demander à quelqu'un quelque part, comme ici ou bien ZBB.

Je te recommande de lire ce que IJzeren Jan a écrit; il a dit des choses intéressantes aussi.
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Re: Tips and advices about conlanging/ Trucs et astuces sur

Postby Dennis » Fri 01 Apr 2011 9:50 pm

More or less hijacking this here thread:

How do you effectively document a conlang, and when you finished one (if you ever), do you keep it around while starting a new one? Or when you have a new project, you just tend to forget about other projects?
Speak: Dutch, English
Something between reading and speaking: French, German
Read: Latin, Ancient Greek

Japanese: somewhere around JLPT 4 level (out of 5), I guess. Also, I (should) know around 250-300 kanji.
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