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Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Delodephius » Fri 09 Jul 2010 4:16 pm

I have been amusing myself lately with ancient Persian scripts. So I'll post my handiwork here. Some of the samples of these scripts is quite hard to find on the internet. Luckily I got my hands on some.

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Now what follows is a table of the scripts I wrote the above texts in.

1. Modern Hebrew
2. Aramaic 4-3rd c. BC
3. Aramaic 2nd c. AD
4. Parthian (Arsacid) 1-2nd c. AD (coins)
5. Parthian (Arsacid) 3rd c. AD (inscriptions)
6. Pahlavi (Sassanid) 3rd c. AD (inscriptions)
7. Pahlavi (Sassanid) 4-6th c. AD (coins)
8. Pahlavi (Parsi) 8th c. AD - present (manuscripts)
9. Kharoṣṭhi (Indo-Bactrian) 3rd c. BC
10. Armenian (reversed) 9th c. AD (oldest manuscripts)
11. Georgian (reversed) 10th c. AD (oldest manuscripts)

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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Mintzman » Sat 10 Jul 2010 4:51 am

two things:

a)what are u proving exactly?

b)do u have a translation?
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby dtp883 » Sat 10 Jul 2010 5:31 am

A) Why does he have to prove anything? He gave us a a few very rare scripts, a lot of people might be interested in these.
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Delodephius » Sat 10 Jul 2010 9:17 am

I'm not trying to prove anything. If you'll notice there are couple topics on this forum where people have posted pictures of scripts for others just to see. I want you to look at these rare scripts and just look at them and tell everybody how they look interesting. :D

I know the translation of only the Avestan text, which is the first four paragraphs of the Yasna 28 in the Avesta. The rest are taken from other samples that were also not provided with a translation.

PS: My favourite is the Psalter Pahlavi. You? 8-)
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Mintzman » Mon 12 Jul 2010 1:55 am

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A) Why does he have to prove anything? He gave us a a few very rare scripts, a lot of people might be interested in these.


sorry, i didn't clarify enough. I was just trying to ask what exactly this proves, like the modification of the script as time goes on etc. I was just wondering, not demanding.

as for my favorite script, it would most likely be Book Pahlavi. (i like how it looks almost like hindi, minus the bar.)
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Delodephius » Mon 12 Jul 2010 10:43 am

Actually, the most interesting thing about all that I posted is that Armenian letters look like they have been partially derived from Persian ones. Everything else is here just for aesthetic reasons. :D
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby YellowSky » Tue 13 Jul 2010 12:18 am

Excuse me, Delodephius, but I cannot see any connection between Armenian and Persian scripts in the table, even with Armenian letters mirrored. Ayb (Ա) and liwn (Լ) do look similar to the corresponding Persian ones, but, as for me, they look much more like Latin 'α' and 'L'. Persian alphabets are, in fact, derived from Aramaic, and I find it much more plausible that Armenian is derived mostly from Ge'ez, which has a Semitic alphabet, too, and in which, due to the boustrophedonical writing of the early Ethiopian script, the letters were mirrored long before Armenian alphabet was (presumably) created.

Still, your handwriting is very beautiful, I like Inscriptional Parthian most.
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Delodephius » Tue 13 Jul 2010 9:35 am

We must have different eyes. I don't see the resemblance between Armenian and Persian in only two or three letters. Armenia was a part of Persia for a few centuries, and educated Armenians knew how to write in Persian. I do not see how Ge'ez, a language of Ethiopia far far away could have influenced Armenian. Ge'ez was derived from the South Arabian script. If you do not see the resemblance between Armenian and Persian then I'm sorry, but there is nothing to discuss. You must have some sort of ocular impairment.
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby Delodephius » Tue 13 Jul 2010 2:27 pm

Do others see the resemblance? There is a mention of this on the Wikipedia and Britannica.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_alphabet
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... n-alphabet
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Re: Ancient Persian scripts

Postby YellowSky » Thu 15 Jul 2010 9:10 pm

Ge'ez is also mentioned in the Wiki article you gave the link to ;)
A Christian scholar, like Mashtots, would rather model a new script on alphabets of Christian nations, than on the heathen Persian, wouldn't he?
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