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Help with palatalization

Postby Oealu » Sun 30 May 2010 11:33 pm

Hello out there, i was wondering if anyone could help me understand the difference between palatalization and iotarion if there is any. I am thinking of using these in some upcomimng languages and I need to make sure I fully understand the concept. Also, if anyone knows, can you tell me about the use of the semisoft sign in Kildin Sami? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby Talib » Mon 31 May 2010 3:09 am

For which languages? Russian contrasts palatalized and iotified consonants, but Estonian doesn't as far as I know.
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby Oealu » Mon 31 May 2010 4:38 am

Russian, i suppose. I just dont fully understand the concept.
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby Talib » Mon 31 May 2010 6:44 am

It's really simple: when you pronounce a consonant, your tongue is raised towards the soft palate like when you pronounce a /j/ (the consonant written <y> in English). Try saying words such as dew, new, and suit like in British English and you've got a pretty reasonable approximation of what it should sound like.
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby Oealu » Mon 31 May 2010 5:16 pm

Thanks, that helps : D
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby Ivo » Fri 22 Oct 2010 7:49 pm

Talib wrote:For which languages? Russian contrasts palatalized and iotified consonants, but Estonian doesn't as far as I know.

Can a Russian really differentiate between дю and дью or ню and нью?!
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby IJzeren Jan » Thu 18 Nov 2010 1:52 am

Yes, no problem. That's just a matter of getting used to it. I'm far from being Russian, but even I can hear and produce the difference.
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Re: Help with palatalization

Postby Delodephius » Thu 18 Nov 2010 2:27 am

Ivo wrote:
Talib wrote:For which languages? Russian contrasts palatalized and iotified consonants, but Estonian doesn't as far as I know.

Can a Russian really differentiate between дю and дью or ню and нью?!

Western and Eastern Slavic speakers can, Southern Slavic speakers can't.
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