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/kʷ/ and /kw/

Postby dtp883 » Mon 10 May 2010 7:19 am

Is there a discernible difference between the cluster /kw/ and the voiceless labiolized velar /kʷ/?
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Re: /kʷ/ and /kw/

Postby rickardspaghetti » Mon 10 May 2010 8:27 am

In the latter, the /w/ is shorter.
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Re: /kʷ/ and /kw/

Postby linguoboy » Mon 10 May 2010 4:04 pm

rickardspaghetti wrote:In the latter, the /w/ is shorter.

Nope, the difference is that in the first case, we are dealing with a co-articulartion. With [kw], the labial component (i.e. [w]) begins only after the velar stop has been produced. With [kʷ], the labialisation[*] begins at or before the moment when the stop is released. Acoustically, this results in a lower second formant on the following vowel--similar but less pronounced than the effect produced by a labial stop.

(It's possible that the reason Mr Spaghetti does not hear a difference in the stop components is that he labialises [k] in [kw], effectively producing [kʷw].)

[*] Generally lip-rounding, though the exact method of articulation varies by language. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labialization for a brief discussion of some of the possibilities.
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Re: /kʷ/ and /kw/

Postby dtp883 » Wed 11 Aug 2010 12:21 pm

I just remembered I asked this. Thank you for the answers. Especially the one explaining the acoustics.
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