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Re: tower orthography

Postby THEthe » Sat 20 Mar 2010 5:49 am

the /tS/ sound in TO is just tc
that simple is
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Re: tower orthography

Postby linguoboy » Sat 20 Mar 2010 6:16 am

telal wrote:In French and Portuguese 'ch' is used for /S/, do you think those languages are alien to English speakers?

And what is c used for in those languages?

telal wrote:Spanish sometimes uses 'x', most especially in the transcription of indigenous American languages, does that seem like something that 99% of English speakers would be familiar with?

And what is x used for Tower Orthography? Not [ʃ] but [ʒ], a value it has in Genovese and nowhere else.

THEthe wrote:if you all can learn that nonsense you call othography it will be very easy to use "c" for the "sh" sound

You know what would be even easier? Using sh.

One of the advantages of retaining c for both /k/ and /s/ is that allows one retain the same stem in pairs like electric/electricity. This is a valuable feature which would-be orthographic reformers always seem to treat like a bug.

If you're really interested in the English spelling system, you should read this article. It's really more systematic and less ambiguous than it's usually made out to be.
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Re: tower orthography

Postby THEthe » Sat 20 Mar 2010 6:46 am

sum up your arguments in form of quiestion and i send it too the original guy
or
if you like we can stpo trying to discuss and start flaming nonsesicaly
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Re: tower orthography

Postby linguoboy » Sat 20 Mar 2010 6:52 am

THEthe wrote:sum up your arguments in form of quiestion and i send it too the original guy
or
if you like we can stpo trying to discuss and start flaming nonsesicaly

Why make those my only two options?
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Re: tower orthography

Postby THEthe » Sat 20 Mar 2010 7:35 am

becouse im the guy with the gun

lets keep serius and dont start flaming
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Re: tower orthography

Postby THEthe » Sat 20 Mar 2010 7:36 am

hey the original guy as send me something

Okay, I'm trying to get my count restored, so I'll try to get up as soon as I can. You can mention that the doubling of the vowels was inspired by Dutch and by the IPA, which has this as a varied form of the lengthening of a vowel. <c> is already used in English as the <sh> sound: commercial, musician amongst others. Also I figured that we can use it as a fricative, that isn't the alveolar.
Also, we weren't aiming for a superdialect, just way of writing English phonetically, without introducing new letters.


i hope it make the thing clear

me voy; a mexico a cantar
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Re: tower orthography

Postby kaenif » Sat 20 Mar 2010 8:21 am

Iz it riilii (My 'i's! x_x) dhat "IPA -> AI PII EE"?
"Glaatl staap"? "Aa" az mai [ɒ] luks yglii AI EM OO. :roll:
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Nope, it's not shāng. It is a 囧 with a hat which 囧ed its chin off!
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Re: tower orthography

Postby THEthe » Sat 20 Mar 2010 10:08 am

kaenif wrote:Iz it riilii (My 'i's! x_x) dhat "IPA -> AI PII EE"?
"Glaatl staap"? "Aa" az mai [ɒ] luks yglii AI EM OO. :roll:


byt duu ju laik it?
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Re: tower orthography

Postby kaenif » Sat 20 Mar 2010 1:54 pm

THEthe wrote:
kaenif wrote:Iz it riilii (My 'i's! x_x) dhat "IPA -> AI PII EE"?
"Glaatl staap"? "Aa" az mai [ɒ] luks yglii AI EM OO. :roll:


byt duu ju laik it?

Naat riilii. Dhii "aa" thing iz naat verii nais.
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Re: tower orthography

Postby linguoboy » Sat 20 Mar 2010 4:30 pm

THEthe wrote:lets keep serius and dont start flaming

I don't understand why you keep saying things like this. All the comments so far have been serious and civil and I don't see any reason to expect that to change. Am I missing something?

Okay, I'm trying to get my count restored, so I'll try to get up as soon as I can. You can mention that the doubling of the vowels was inspired by Dutch and by the IPA, which has this as a varied form of the lengthening of a vowel. <c> is already used in English as the <sh> sound: commercial, musician amongst others. Also I figured that we can use it as a fricative, that isn't the alveolar.

It's not c which represents /ʃ/ in these words, it's the digraph ci. That's an important distinction. Otherwise why not argue that since oi represents the /oi/ sound as in boil, therefore o alone would be just as good?

Also, we weren't aiming for a superdialect, just way of writing English phonetically, without introducing new letters.

Clearly--and that's a serious flaw for a reformed orthography.
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