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PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar 2010 1:41 am 
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telal wrote:
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What languages out there use c to represent [ʃ]?

Zhuang, Kabyle and Beninese Yoruba

Ah yes--all languages one would expect the average English-speaker to be intimately familiar with.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar 2010 1:49 am 
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ok, im going to ask the original guy about that

i know that a good orthography balances ethymology and pronunciation; but ina language so messed as english is just too complicated


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Re: tower orthography
PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar 2010 2:15 am 
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linguoboy wrote:
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What languages out there use c to represent [ʃ]?

Zhuang, Kabyle and Beninese Yoruba

Ah yes--all languages one would expect the average English-speaker to be intimately familiar with.


I don't remember anyone suggesting that the average English-speaker would be intimately familiar with those languages, but they do use 'c' for /S/, and that is what you asked.

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The point is that it doesn't do the average English speaker much good to know that Zhuang uses <c> to spell [ʃ]. I'm willing to bet fewer than 99% of them have even heard of Zhuang. It's just as counterintuitive either way, whereas <sh> is well-established and has been used for centuries. If we want to go further back, <sc> was used before then, and there are Middle English variants like <ssh> and <sch>. Never <c>.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar 2010 2:55 am 
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hey english speaking people
if you all can learn that nonsense you call othography it will be very easy to use "c" for the "sh" sound


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What's your native language?

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Talib wrote:
What's your native language?

román paladino
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Mar 2010 4:35 am 
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Talib wrote:
The point is that it doesn't do the average English speaker much good to know that Zhuang uses <c> to spell [ʃ]. I'm willing to bet fewer than 99% of them have even heard of Zhuang. It's just as counterintuitive either way, whereas <sh> is well-established and has been used for centuries. If we want to go further back, <sc> was used before then, and there are Middle English variants like <ssh> and <sch>. Never <c>.


In French and Portuguese 'ch' is used for /S/, do you think those languages are alien to English speakers?

Spanish sometimes uses 'x', most especially in the transcription of indigenous American languages, does that seem like something that 99% of English speakers would be familiar with?

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telal wrote:
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The point is that it doesn't do the average English speaker much good to know that Zhuang uses <c> to spell [ʃ]. I'm willing to bet fewer than 99% of them have even heard of Zhuang. It's just as counterintuitive either way, whereas <sh> is well-established and has been used for centuries. If we want to go further back, <sc> was used before then, and there are Middle English variants like <ssh> and <sch>. Never <c>.


In French and Portuguese 'ch' is used for /S/, do you think those languages are alien to English speakers?

Spanish sometimes uses 'x', most especially in the transcription of indigenous American languages, does that seem like something that 99% of English speakers would be familiar with?


well there are many ways to represent the /S/ sound, his proble is ethymology.
he is talking about that is huld be like in other germanic languages

P.D: telal: tell me what you think about his othography


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In French and Portuguese 'ch' is used for /S/, do you think those languages are alien to English speakers?
For many of them, yes actually they are, especially Portuguese. Besides that, English already uses <ch> for [tʃ]. What do you plan to use to in its place then?
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Spanish sometimes uses 'x', most especially in the transcription of indigenous American languages, does that seem like something that 99% of English speakers would be familiar with?
No. So I don't see how it's relevant.

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