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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby formiko » Tue 13 Oct 2009 11:08 pm

rickardspaghetti wrote:Why do you speak Russian in Brooklyn?


Brooklyn has a HUGE Russian immigrant population.There are so many ex-KGB that it's called Little Odessa. Plus, I grew up near Brooklyn.
(The Russia Mafia runs most of Brooklyn. It's practically the safest place in NYC :o )
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby Sobekhotep » Wed 14 Oct 2009 2:56 am

formiko wrote:Brooklyn has a HUGE Russian immigrant population.There are so many ex-KGB that it's called Little Odessa.

Odessa is in Ukraine. Are most of these so-called "ex-кгб" actually Ukrainians? :?
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby formiko » Wed 14 Oct 2009 4:04 am

Sobekhotep wrote:
formiko wrote:Brooklyn has a HUGE Russian immigrant population.There are so many ex-KGB that it's called Little Odessa.

Odessa is in Ukraine. Are most of these so-called "ex-кгб" actually Ukrainians? :?


Hey, I didn't name it that. :) No, the Russian mob is pervasive throughout Southern Brooklyn. The Russian population is curiously Jewish, not Russian Orthodox as I would've thought. My friend Misha lives in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn and he's darker skinned (like Israeli) and his entire family is from St. Petersburg.
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby linguoboy » Wed 14 Oct 2009 4:34 am

Sobekhotep wrote:
formiko wrote:Brooklyn has a HUGE Russian immigrant population.There are so many ex-KGB that it's called Little Odessa.

Odessa is in Ukraine.

And Riga is in Latvia. What's your point?
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby Sobekhotep » Thu 15 Oct 2009 4:49 am

formiko wrote:My friend Misha lives in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn and he's darker skinned (like Israeli) and his entire family is from St. Petersburg.

Eh? Most of the Israeli Ashkenazim I've seen have had rather light complexions. I suppose they may be ever so slightly darker than the average Russian but they're all "white" to me. :)

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Sobekhotep wrote:
formiko wrote:Brooklyn has a HUGE Russian immigrant population.There are so many ex-KGB that it's called Little Odessa.

Odessa is in Ukraine.

And Riga is in Latvia. What's your point?

Luckily formiko understood. :roll:
But don't worry, I'll spell it out specially for you: formiko mentioned that Brooklyn has a huge RUSSIAN immigrant population. Then he added that it's called "Little Odessa". Since Odessa is in UKRAINE it makes little sense to me for it to be used as a nickname for an area known for its RUSSIAN immigrants.
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby Talib » Thu 15 Oct 2009 4:56 am

I'm assuming Ukraine is conflated with Russia in the popular imagination of many, especially in the days of the USSR when they were part of the same 15-member federation.
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby Neqitan » Thu 15 Oct 2009 6:34 am

Sobekhotep wrote:But don't worry, I'll spell it out specially for you: formiko mentioned that Brooklyn has a huge RUSSIAN immigrant population. Then he added that it's called "Little Odessa". Since Odessa is in UKRAINE it makes little sense to me for it to be used as a nickname for an area known for its RUSSIAN immigrants.

What Talib said, and also consider this map:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map12_b.png

The blue lines represent fluency in Russian and the red lines, in Ukrainian. If you see the area of the city of Odessa (Одеса) you'll notice there's a good amount of speakers of Russian.
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby Talib » Thu 15 Oct 2009 4:34 pm

Russian is widely understood in Ukraine, especially in the eastern half of the country. Contact between the two languages has led to the emergence of a hybrid known as Surzhyk.
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby linguoboy » Thu 15 Oct 2009 5:09 pm

Sobekhotep wrote:But don't worry, I'll spell it out specially for you: formiko mentioned that Brooklyn has a huge RUSSIAN immigrant population. Then he added that it's called "Little Odessa". Since Odessa is in UKRAINE it makes little sense to me for it to be used as a nickname for an area known for its RUSSIAN immigrants.

If you knew anything at all about the demography of Ukraine, then you would've gotten my point. Odessa is essentially a Russian city in Ukrainian territory. (And since you didn't understand my reference to Riga, let me spell it out for you: Despite being the capital of Latvia, less than half its population is Latvian-speaking. No prizes for guessing what the most commonly-spoken language in Riga is.)
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Re: Newbie Mistakes

Postby Remd » Thu 15 Oct 2009 5:25 pm

When I was trying to teach some English to a friend of mine, she translated "todas las perras" into English as "the whole bitch". It was really funny.
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