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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby linguoboy » Wed 02 Sep 2009 9:56 pm

Diphthongs containing a +high element shift from rising to falling:

[ˌʊæ̯.ɯə̯ˈʊe̯ʑ.iɯ̯̽]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby rickardspaghetti » Wed 02 Sep 2009 10:06 pm

[ˌʊæ̯.ɯə̯ˈʊe̯ɕ.iɯ̯̽]

ʑ is devoiced.
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Talib » Thu 03 Sep 2009 12:25 am

[ˌʊə̯.ɯə̯ˈʊə̯ɕ.iə̯]

Second element of all falling dipthongs is reduced to [ə].
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby rickardspaghetti » Thu 03 Sep 2009 6:06 am

[ˌɵː.ɘːˈɵːɕ.eː]
Diphthongs become mid-centralized monophthongs.
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俺はその証だ。
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby dtp883 » Thu 03 Sep 2009 6:17 am

rickardspaghetti wrote:[ˌɵː.ɘːˈɵːɕ.eː]


This is still the word analyzing? What is ɵ?
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Caenwyr » Thu 03 Sep 2009 8:13 am

dtp883 wrote:
rickardspaghetti wrote:[ˌɵː.ɘːˈɵːɕ.eː]

This is still the word analyzing? What is ɵ?

Is this still a word at all? I think it when wrong when Rickard decided to kill all but one consonant :P
rickardspaghetti wrote:[ˌʊ̯æ.ɯ̯̽əˈʊ̯eʑ.iɯ̯̽]
All semivowels become non-syllabic vowels! :twisted:

May Mr Paralyzing rest in peace...
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby rickardspaghetti » Thu 03 Sep 2009 9:14 am

dtp883 wrote:
rickardspaghetti wrote:[ˌɵː.ɘːˈɵːɕ.eː]


This is still the word analyzing? What is ɵ?

That's the point of the game! If the word still is recognizable at the end, you've done it wrong! :D
And ɵ is the rounded counterpart of ɘ. Look at an IPA chart and you'll see.
And the word was "paralyzing", not "analyzing". ;)

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dtp883 wrote:
rickardspaghetti wrote:[ˌɵː.ɘːˈɵːɕ.eː]


This is still the word analyzing? What is ɵ?


Is this still a word at all? I think it when wrong when Rickard decided to kill all but one consonant :P

How can this possibly go wrong!? It's supposed to be a fun game!

Caenwyr wrote:
rickardspaghetti wrote:[ˌʊ̯æ.ɯ̯̽əˈʊ̯eʑ.iɯ̯̽]
All semivowels become non-syllabic vowels! :twisted:


May Mr Paralyzing rest in peace...

Looks like we cannot make more sound changes from this word now. Anyone who wants to contribute a new word to the game? :D
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby linguoboy » Thu 03 Sep 2009 3:38 pm

Resegmentation/glide insertion in order to avoid hiatus:

[ˌwɵː.ʔɘːˈwɵːɕeː]

How can this possibly go wrong!? It's supposed to be a fun game!

It's important to keep in mind what kind of a game this is. It's a phonological rules game, not a letter-substitution game. Every step should be one that you can plausibly imagine occurring throughout the lexicon of an entire language, not just this one word. Steps like "ʑ is devoiced" are simply bad form. What language has a process where only one of its fricatives is universally devoiced?

If your only goal is to make the word unrecognisable, we can do that in two or three steps (e.g. deletion of unstressed vowels followed by cluster simplification). But where's the fun in that?
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby adelgado » Thu 03 Sep 2009 4:36 pm

linguoboy wrote:Resegmentation/glide insertion in order to avoid hiatus:

[ˌwɵː.ʔɘːˈwɵːɕeː]

How can this possibly go wrong!? It's supposed to be a fun game!

It's important to keep in mind what kind of a game this is. It's a phonological rules game, not a letter-substitution game. Every step should be one that you can plausibly imagine occurring throughout the lexicon of an entire language, not just this one word. Steps like "ʑ is devoiced" are simply bad form. What language has a process where only one of its fricatives is universally devoiced?

If your only goal is to make the word unrecognisable, we can do that in two or three steps (e.g. deletion of unstressed vowels followed by cluster simplification). But where's the fun in that?


Indeed.

Long final vowels [e:] turn into [ej]:

[ˌwɵː.ʔɘːˈwɵːɕej]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby rickardspaghetti » Thu 03 Sep 2009 5:52 pm

linguoboy wrote:Resegmentation/glide insertion in order to avoid hiatus:

[ˌwɵː.ʔɘːˈwɵːɕeː]

How can this possibly go wrong!? It's supposed to be a fun game!

It's important to keep in mind what kind of a game this is. It's a phonological rules game, not a letter-substitution game. Every step should be one that you can plausibly imagine occurring throughout the lexicon of an entire language, not just this one word. Steps like "ʑ is devoiced" are simply bad form. What language has a process where only one of its fricatives is universally devoiced?

If your only goal is to make the word unrecognisable, we can do that in two or three steps (e.g. deletion of unstressed vowels followed by cluster simplification). But where's the fun in that?

1. We're not making sound changes for an entire language. Just one word. That unrecognizable thing, I might back off a bit on that one. Atleast the word should look different when we're done with it. But the more different, the more fun.
2. "ʑ is devoiced". I could've said "all sibilants are devoiced" instead, but ʑ was the only sibilant present.
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