왇 와받 한굴? (What about Hangul?)

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Mikhail
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Re: 왇 와받 한굴? (What about Hangul?)

Postby Mikhail » Sat 05 Jul 2014 1:38 pm

Dan_ad_nauseam wrote:There's nothing inherently stupid about grouping syllables in blocks,

As I see it, sometimes character grouping and their forms was historically preconditioned by banal economy of paper, or simplicity of fabricating the print plates for example. So at closer view the historical aspect of its usage can be versatile. And it can become kind of a retorical question, is it stupid or not, especially if I discuss artistic side of the writing. I would say, nothing inherently stupid in the existence itself (some time ago there were no writing at all, by the way), but in our media era seems very strange to make it an official tool for millions of people, don't you find? So that is the salt of the anecdote.

Dan_ad_nauseam wrote:IMHO, different scripts work for different languages. Romanization doesn't do well for Mandarin because of the prevalence of homophones.

If romanisation will be made by same "profis" who drawn tons of diacritics for Vietnamese, then new ancdotes will be born :) Actualy there is a roman with a pack of diacritics they use in China, but I am not sure about details. Different scripts work for different languages? They all kind of work. And how different then? I don't quite understand your idea... Still the graphical representation is primary. The physics of text acquisition, even in theory, can not depend directly on the encoded data. The number of glyphs to use and its bindings - yes, those can vary with its particular usage, but it is all, and even punctuation, is kind of secondary to the graphics itself. So it is not enough, just to draw stupid diacritics around the letters to expand the alphabet, it is nonsence. And it all exists in various forms!
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Re: 왇 와받 한굴? (What about Hangul?)

Postby martinluan » Fri 12 Jun 2015 1:03 am

"I've come to the same conclusion as many others: It simply is the best script in use anywhere in the world."

This made me laugh.

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Re: 왇 와받 한굴? (What about Hangul?)

Postby choc_pud » Mon 15 Jun 2015 11:41 am

martinluan wrote:"I've come to the same conclusion as many others: It simply is the best script in use anywhere in the world."

This made me laugh.


Would you care to explain why?
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Re: 왇 와받 한굴? (What about Hangul?)

Postby martinluan » Fri 03 Jul 2015 9:27 pm

choc_pud wrote:
martinluan wrote:"I've come to the same conclusion as many others: It simply is the best script in use anywhere in the world."

This made me laugh.


Would you care to explain why?



My last post is a bit mean, I apologize. This forum is so quiet, I don't check in often, sorry for not replying soon.

The reason I don't agree with your post is the tone and the word used, "best". It seems you just start to study Korean and you don't have much more knowledge on other scripts other than Latin letters. Maybe I am wrong.

We generally don't say which writing system is the best. It is more appropriate to say it is one of the most beautiful system, easiest to write, to read etc. When we try to judge a writing system, we analyze it from various ways, the easiness to input (write or type), the convenience to read, and the supporting to the language it applies. The aesthetic appealing to readers could be very subjective, even though it could be used as one supports somehow.

Now we get back to the Hangul. Is it easier to write or type than other system? I don't think so. Is it easier to read? This is a bit controversial here. Before we discuss it, we should know why Hangul has this special shape and the purpose of it. The Hangul is designed to support the Hanja system. So generally one grouped Hangul could have a Hanja to match. The grouped Hangul does not help to speed up the liner reading but on the contrary. The oversimplified symbols are also not easy to be identified, especially you group them together. As per space saving, that's even more ridiculous since you reduce the horizontal line but increase the vertical size. In the end, there is hard to say this system save the space. Hangul have been used 600 years so it is improved a lot itself to fit the language it applies but whether it is the best fit? I cannot say since there is very few practice to use other system on it. It is Korean National Pride for sure. If the Hangul could be used for other languages? You take a bit time to try it, you will know.

I know there are lots of Korean Hangul fans in the world. But if you ask further, most of them just have the same feeling as having a new toy but a language tool. It is special, that's it.


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