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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby Talib » Tue 29 Dec 2009 6:09 am

From Wikipedia:

Harris (1969:89) points to muy ('very') as the one example with [ui̯] rather than [wi]. There are no minimal pairs.


I suppose that's why it's spelled <uy> insted of <ui>.
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby dtp883 » Tue 29 Dec 2009 7:43 am

I don't think so. <y> is how /i/ is represented at the end of word is Spanish especially in dipthongs.
Voy, Soy, Estoy, Ley, etc. /vo ̯i/, /so ̯i/, /'esto ̯i/, and /le ̯i/

Most compelling is that rey (king) becomes reina (queen). Both <ei> and <ey> representing /e ̯i/.
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby Talib » Tue 29 Dec 2009 8:28 am

What about fui then?
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby dtp883 » Tue 29 Dec 2009 8:40 am

Hmm, that's an excellent point.

I guess we'll have to wait for Remd or Neqitan to tell us what they say.
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby Neqitan » Tue 29 Dec 2009 4:58 pm

Muy is /muj/. I say [muj]. People from Madrid say [mwi] though.

Fui is /fwi/.
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby Neqitan » Tue 29 Dec 2009 8:58 pm

dtp883 wrote:I wrote /ʝ/ instead of /ʎ/ because most students, at least where I live, are taught that <ll> represents /ʝ/ or even /j/.
Oh, about this, I like to write the <ll> as /ʎ/ in respect to the people of (rural?) northern Spain, and other disperse areas. :)

And don't forget that as for /ʝ/, it usually has the non-spirantized allophone of [ʤ]/[ɟʝ], and the spirantized allophone of [ʝ]/[j]/[ʒ]/[ʃ]. (Multiple options mean regional variations.)
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby linguoboy » Wed 30 Dec 2009 5:35 pm

Neqitan wrote:Muy is /muj/. I say [muj]. People from Madrid say [mwi] though.

Fui is /fwi/.

¿Y cuy? ¿La pronuncias /'kuj/ or /'kwi/?
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby Neqitan » Wed 30 Dec 2009 5:45 pm

Sé que esa palabra existe pero nunca la he usado. En El Salvador decimos "cuyo, cuya". Si tuviera que leerla diría [kuj].
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

Postby dtp883 » Thu 31 Dec 2009 1:33 am

You can use Cuy for 'whose' instead of cuyo? Is that more common than cuyo? I mean I know that cuyo is more formal, so is cuy the colloquial version? Or is cuy still formal and similar to algún? I guess the second one would explain de quien.
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Re: La Esquina: Spanish Corner

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