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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby linguoboy » Thu 19 Apr 2012 9:19 pm

[hju hai hai fi]

Loss of liquids (derhoticisation/delateralisation).
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Kshaard » Tue 05 Jun 2012 10:34 am

[h] before a consonant devoices and fricativises the following consonant.
[çu hai hai fi]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Tikolm » Fri 13 Jul 2012 6:04 pm

Kshaard wrote:[h] before a consonant devoices and fricativises the following consonant.
[çu hai hai fi]

Don't mind if I join a bit late.
Palatalization of consonants before front vowels:
[çu hai hai fʲi]
Seems likely enough to me.
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Elijah » Sat 28 Jul 2012 1:00 am

Fortition of fricatives.

[cu hai hai pi]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby linguoboy » Sat 28 Jul 2012 1:12 am

Elijah wrote:Fortition of fricatives.

I see your fortition and raise you pre-aspiration of unvoiced plosives!

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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Tikolm » Sat 28 Jul 2012 3:12 am

linguoboy wrote:
Elijah wrote:Fortition of fricatives.

I see your fortition and raise you pre-aspiration of unvoiced plosives!

[ʰcu hai hai ʰpʲi]

"Fortition of fricatives" seems to have excluded [h], but I'll go with it the way it is.
[ai] becomes [a:] like in some dialects of English (other diphthongs may be affected too):
[ʰcu ha: ha: ʰpʲi]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby linguoboy » Sat 28 Jul 2012 4:16 am

Tikolm wrote:"Fortition of fricatives" seems to have excluded [h], but I'll go with it the way it is.

"Fricative" is really a misnomer for [h] since it isn't actually produced with audible friction. It's called a "voiceless glottal fricative" mostly for historical reasons, and because it does sometimes pattern with the fricatives of a language.

But it iskind of a boring consonant, so let's shift it to a pharyngeal approximant contiguous to low vowels:

[ʰcu ʕ̞a: ʕ̞a: ʰpʲi]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Tikolm » Sat 28 Jul 2012 4:40 pm

linguoboy wrote:"Fricative" is really a misnomer for [h] since it isn't actually produced with audible friction. It's called a "voiceless glottal fricative" mostly for historical reasons, and because it does sometimes pattern with the fricatives of a language.

Good enough. After all, the latest version of the IPA chart does in fact have /h/ exactly between the fricative and approximant boxes.
But it is kind of a boring consonant, so let's shift it to a pharyngeal approximant contiguous to low vowels:

[ʰcu ʕ̞a: ʕ̞a: ʰpʲi]

I'm not certain [h] would shift simply on the basis of its being "boring", but I'll leave it alone.
Fronting of back vowels before palatals:
[ʰcy ʕ̞a: ʕ̞a: ʰpʲi]
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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Elijah » Wed 15 Aug 2012 1:26 am

You mean after palatals.

And how did linguoboy get [pʲi] from [pi]?

Anyway,

tonogenesis!!! Preaspiration becomes a high tone on the following vowel.

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Re: Sound changing game.

Postby Tikolm » Wed 15 Aug 2012 2:02 am

Elijah wrote:You mean after palatals.

Sorry, whoops.
And how did linguoboy get [pʲi] from [pi]?

He didn't. [pi] was a mistake -- it was supposed to be [pʲi].
Anyway,

tonogenesis!!! Preaspiration becomes a high tone on the following vowel.

[cý ʕ̞a: ʕ̞a: pʲí]

Since this is a tonal language now, I'll play too. Long vowels become vowels with high tones:
[cý ʕ̞á ʕ̞á pʲí]
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