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Re: Atükan

Postby XshadowX » Wed 09 Jun 2010 1:45 pm

I got some pronouns in for Atükan. And I guess this is a VSO language. So I guess I like pie would be "Like I pie"

A : IF this is in pronunciation the a is pronounced like it is in van or cat.

Pronouns:
I = Pa (pah)
You (singular) = Míje (MEYE-JEH)
You (plural) = Míjeto (MEYE-JEH-TOH)
He = Aetin (AH+EH-TEEN)
She = Aot (AH+OHT)
It ( singular) = Zutä (ZOO-TAY)
It (plural) = Zutäto (ZOO-TAY-TOH)
They = Kìpo (KIH-POH)
Us = Ba (BAH)
Them = Jípö (JEYE-POW)
That = Zikà (ZEE-KA)
Those = Meto (MEH-TOH)
This = Bükä (BOO-KAY)
We = ìtena (EYE-TEHN-NAH)
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Re: Atükan

Postby Kloiten » Wed 09 Jun 2010 10:10 pm

XshadowX wrote:Pronouns:
I = Pa (pah)
You (singular) = Míje (MEYE-JEH)
You (plural) = Míjeto (MEYE-JEH-TOH)
He = Aetin (AH+EH-TEEN)
She = Aot (AH+OHT)
It ( singular) = Zutä (ZOO-TAY)
It (plural) = Zutäto (ZOO-TAY-TOH)
They = Kìpo (KIH-POH)
Us = Ba (BAH)
Them = Jípö (JEYE-POW)
That = Zikà (ZEE-KA)
Those = Meto (MEH-TOH)
This = Bükä (BOO-KAY)
We = ìtena (EYE-TEHN-NAH)


I have several questions. I'll try not to strike a nerve.
As a lead-up, what dialect of English do you speak?
Then...
How are ow's pronounced? Is it like in tow or in how?
How are the lone e's pronounced? Is it like in men or here or something else?
Do the pluses in your phonetic transcription mean a fluid switch between vowels or a glottal stop? Or maybe there's a combination (diphthong)?
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Re: Atükan

Postby XshadowX » Thu 10 Jun 2010 3:43 am

Kloiten wrote:
XshadowX wrote:Pronouns:
I = Pa (pah)
You (singular) = Míje (MEYE-JEH)
You (plural) = Míjeto (MEYE-JEH-TOH)
He = Aetin (AH+EH-TEEN)
She = Aot (AH+OHT)
It ( singular) = Zutä (ZOO-TAY)
It (plural) = Zutäto (ZOO-TAY-TOH)
They = Kìpo (KIH-POH)
Us = Ba (BAH)
Them = Jípö (JEYE-POW)
That = Zikà (ZEE-KA)
Those = Meto (MEH-TOH)
This = Bükä (BOO-KAY)
We = ìtena (EYE-TEHN-NAH)


I have several questions. I'll try not to strike a nerve.
As a lead-up, what dialect of English do you speak?
Then...
How are ow's pronounced? Is it like in tow or in how?
How are the lone e's pronounced? Is it like in men or here or something else?
Do the pluses in your phonetic transcription mean a fluid switch between vowels or a glottal stop? Or maybe there's a combination (diphthong)?


You won't strike a nerve. It was about midnight when I got mad a few posts ago.
1. I really don't know my dialect.
2. The Ow's pronounced as the ow in how.
3. The e is ALWAYS pronounced as an eh.
4. My answer would be a diphthong. The plus means you take both vowel sounds and slur them into one sound like slurred notes on a violin. No stop when there is a plus.
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Re: Atükan

Postby kaenif » Thu 10 Jun 2010 10:12 am

Are Kìpo and Jípö, ìtena and Ba used like they and them, we and us in English, like,

'Kìpo' saw me.
I saw 'jípö'.

'ìtena' saw him.
He saw 'ba'.

If it is used like this, are there equivalent forms for I, you, he, she, it?

Also I've noticed you do not have 'these'. It is same as some other words or would you have forgotten?
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Re: Atükan

Postby XshadowX » Thu 10 Jun 2010 2:17 pm

They are all used the same as in I saw them and stuff like that.

I did forget to put "these" in the language.

uhmmm.....

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Re: Atükan

Postby Remd » Thu 10 Jun 2010 2:32 pm

Ehm...I think that when Keanif said "these" s/he meant the forms of I, you, he, she and it to be used as object.
Like "You see us" (Míje see ba?) -> "You see it" (Míje see it) Because you seem to have posted one form of "it" (for example) to work just as subject.
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Re: Atükan

Postby XshadowX » Thu 10 Jun 2010 2:36 pm

Remd wrote:Ehm...I think that when Keanif said "these" s/he meant the forms of I, you, he, she and it to be used as object.
Like "You see us" (Míje see ba?) -> "You see it" (Míje see it) Because you seem to have posted one form of "it" (for example) to work just as subject.


Okay. So I need pronouns to act a objects?

ummm....

Oops. I will make the pronouns and repost the pronoun list.

btw, There is a dictionary I am creating and if you would like to have a copy just email me. It is a .pdf file.
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Re: Atükan

Postby Remd » Thu 10 Jun 2010 2:45 pm

Okay. So I need pronouns to act a objects?


You already have some, in fact. For instance, "ba" is supposed to mean "us" and you don't use "us" as a subject (would you say "us are fine"?), it acts as an object, that's why you say "you see us" and we are the object of your action.
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Re: Atükan

Postby XshadowX » Thu 10 Jun 2010 3:17 pm

Remd wrote:
Okay. So I need pronouns to act a objects?


You already have some, in fact. For instance, "ba" is supposed to mean "us" and you don't use "us" as a subject (would you say "us are fine"?), it acts as an object, that's why you say "you see us" and we are the object of your action.

lol. But there are some that could be objects like You.
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Re: Atükan

Postby linguoboy » Thu 10 Jun 2010 3:22 pm

XshadowX wrote:A : IF this is in pronunciation the a is pronounced like it is in van or cat.

Like [veən] or [kʰeət̚]? Well, that's simple enough!

XshadowX wrote:Okay. So I need pronouns to act a objects?

It would be strange to have a language which allows pronouns to be subject but not objects. Strange, but not impossible.

You don't necessarily need distinct forms, as in English. Plenty of languages use the same forms for both (e.g. Chinese wǒmen kànjiàn nǐmen "we see you [plural]", nǐmen kànjiàn wǒmen "you [plural] see us", etc.).
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