Tikolm wrote:Oh, I know I used the cake metaphor a lot, but could we please stop comparing my conlang stuff to cakes? It isn't anything like a cookbook. A phonology isn't an ingredient list. A piece of translated text may be a snapshot, but a cookbook isn't quite comparable to conlanging.
Find a more fitting metaphor and I'll run with it. The point is a phoneme inventory (it's hardly a "phonology" if there's no information allophonic variation, phonotactics, and the like) tells you little or nothing what the final language will be like. German has almost the same phoneme inventory as Hungarian, but--trust me--you would never mistake one of these languages for the other.
Tikolm wrote:Well, you're on the Omniglot forum, so you must have something interesting to say other than criticism. What are you doing on the conlang threads if you aren't posting your own conlang?
Why does Roger Ebert write movie reviews if he's not interesting in directing his own films? Why does Christgau review records if he's not interesting in releasing one? Why do people who don't even play football spend endless hours on the radio discussing it?
People post conlangs here for comment because it's difficult to get others to pay any attention to them in real life.
That isn't true at all. People pay plenty of attention to me in real life. I am posting my conlangs here because I want to talk about them and because I think they will get interest.
I'm sorry, I just realised that sentence is ambiguous. "Them" refers back to "conlangs", not "people".
So, your real life friends listen to you talk about conlangs and give you useful feedback on them? In that case, never let them out of your sight! They are rarer than Yangtse river dolphins!
I'm not sure how new you are to conlanging
I have been conlanging for months, maybe years.
Um, yeah; my first attempt at a conlang was nearly thirty years ago. You are new to the game, soldier.
Everywhere I have mentioned it there has been interest. I am relatively new to Omniglot, but already I have gotten plenty of interest (not much from you, sad to say).
Um, hello? How many times have I posted in this thread? How many times has anyone else posted in this thread?
What prickly attitude toward criticism? I am just fine with it as long as it's constructive. Some of your criticism is constructive, but most of it appears not to be.
In my experience, when people say that criticism wasn't "constructive", what they really mean is that it wasn't unadulterated praise. Encouragement is fine and all, but by itself it won't make you a better conlanger.
I don't know what you mean by thisNo allomorphic variation?
Then look it up. In every known natlang, inflectional morphemes vary in phonetic shape depending on the stems they are attached to. You don't have to have this in your conlang, but if you don't, it will sound very artificial, like Esperanto. Perhaps that's what you're going for? You tell me.
You mean the auxiliary verb "caqos"? The meaning of that is "will".
Historically, "will" meant "want", e.g. "Who wil the curnell of the nut must breake the shell" (16th cent.).
At least that's my literal translation of it. You may have a different system. I am not familiar with all the various cases there can be and I don't remember what the oblative is.
OBL = oblique
Well, you seemed to be more interested in criticizing my posts instead of being helpful.
Criticizing my posts and arguing with me isn't helpful.
You keep using the words "criticism" and "criticise" in curiously pejorative ways. On the contrary, there's nothing anyone can do for you more that's more helpful than criticising your work.
And, when I said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", I was trying to tell you that you should be posting your own conlang stuff instead of picking on others' conlang stuff. If you want me to do my conlangs perfectly, then why don't you try?
What an odd thing to say? How will creating a conlang of my own make yours any better? Actually, am I proceeding on a false premise here? I mean, I'm only assuming you want to make them better. But maybe you don't? It would be odd--and odder still to post them in a public forum if that's how you feel--but I don't begin to claim to understand everything people do.
See, this is what I mean about having a "prickly attitude". There's nothing wrong with considering my advice and rejecting it because you have different ideas about what your conlang should be. But this notion that I don't even have the right to say a thing about it until I post a conlang of my own? That's not what I would call a healthy attitude toward forum participation. Maybe you should work on your own for a while longer until you're really ready to show your stuff to someone else.