Omniglot forum • View topic - KARAŽUN - A Pseudo-Manchu Conlang

VROOR · **Posted:** Wed 18 Nov 2009 6:20 am

Serali wrote:

And that's why I look forward to seeing the script chart one of these days.

When I have more time, I will make a chart for the script.

Serali wrote:

Beautiful language too. I was first reminded of Turkish for some reason when I first saw it.

Karažun does have turkic linguistic elements within its language structure.

Serali · Joined:Sun 28 Jun 2009 1:28 pm Posts:248

VROOR wrote:

When I have more time, I will make a chart for the script.

Looking forward to it.

VROOR wrote:

Karažun does have turkic linguistic elements within its language structure.

Well that would explain it then.

VROOR · **Posted:** Wed 18 Nov 2009 11:15 am

"Sele i mori, teñri i išmi."

This Karažun phrase is a clear demo of the metaphorical usage of "sele i mori" and "teñri i išmi.
The phrase "sele i mori, teñri i išmi" means bicycles are forbidden.

VROOR · **Posted:** Sat 21 Nov 2009 10:28 am

Why is this language, or conlang rather, named Karažun? "Kara" is a universal root for black or dark as well as shadowly amongst the Altaic linguistic branch. This root should hint some meanings into the name "Karažun".

In the older Mandarin Chinese usages of which, is very racistic and politically biased, the term "黑話" (black speech or dark speech) refers to words or phrases even the entire dialect or language itself which the governmental officials cannot understand.

There were those days when using any speech classified as a dark speech will surely cause one to be arrested (and result in disappearance forever). Thus, Karažun is just that, a language which is meant as a secret language.

The name "Karažun" in Mandarin Chinese is now settled as either 格鞡金 or 格鞡真.

Serali · Joined:Sun 28 Jun 2009 1:28 pm Posts:248

*Is Speechless*

I don't remember if you mentioned it or not but where is Karažun spoken? Is it in a conworld or a fictional place somewhere in the world?

And how would you pronounce 黑話, 格鞡金, and 格鞡真?

Talib · Joined:Sun 19 Apr 2009 8:22 am Posts:768 Location: Canada

Serali wrote:

And how would you pronounce 黑話, 格鞡金, and 格鞡真

In pinyin, they are, respectively: hēihuà, gēlajīn and gēlazhēn. The first is a literal translation ("black speech") and the other two are phonetic transcriptions of the name.

If you need to know how a given Chinese character is pronounced, just search it on Wiktionary.

Serali · Joined:Sun 28 Jun 2009 1:28 pm Posts:248

Thanks!

VROOR · **Posted:** Sun 22 Nov 2009 10:11 am

Serali wrote:

I don't remember if you mentioned it or not but where is Karažun spoken? Is it in a conworld or a fictional place somewhere in the world?

Karažun does not have a fictional setting, nor world, to go with it. It is just a conlang meant as a secret language, nothing more than that really.

VROOR · **Posted:** Sun 22 Nov 2009 11:56 am

These are the Ordinal Numbers of Karažun, from first to tenth:

1st: samsa
2nd: dewi
3rd: tareya
4th: šitiwera
5th: papiše
6th: šakase
7th: šupatu
8th: okata
9th: newim
10th: šekem

VROOR · **Posted:** Sun 22 Nov 2009 12:06 pm

In Karažun, the ordinal counting is done, by adding the ordinal numbers first to ninth to the front of the word intented whilst ordinal numbers tenth and beyond are added after the word which is meant to be described:

Examples in Sentences:

ese samsa asfa baina
this is the first sword

asfa bire a šekem baina
it's the 11th sword

asfa bire a dewišekem baina
it's the 21st sword