Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Talib » Sun 28 Jun 2009 12:52 am

Of course not. That's the problem with talking about these issues: they're completely unknown outside of their own country, so it's entirely possible they're invisible to Greeks as well. But if they were, we'd never know.
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Delodephius » Sun 28 Jun 2009 1:17 am

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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Delodephius » Tue 30 Jun 2009 1:16 am

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_t ... _1127.html

The U.S. Government remains deeply concerned about the heightened threat of terrorist attacks against U.S. citizens and interests abroad. Like other countries that are members of the Schengen Agreement for free cross-border movement, Greece’s open borders with its European neighbors allow the possibility of terrorist groups entering/exiting the country with anonymity. As the first entry point into Schengen from points south and east, Greece’s long coastline and many islands also heighten the possibility that foreign-based terrorists might try to exploit Greece’s borders.
Domestic terrorist organizations such as Revolutionary Struggle and “Sect of Revolutionaries” have become increasingly active against both domestic and foreign targets in Greece. Recent attacks and attempted attacks have included the use of Molotov cocktails (gasoline bombs), small arms and rifle fire, and improvised explosive devices, the largest being a 50-kilo car bomb which failed to detonate before the police arrived. The Greek police forces, other Greek governmental agencies, private American and Greek businesses, and the United States Embassy have been attacked in the last three years. Recent actions indicate that the perpetrators are indiscriminate. The risk of “being in the wrong place at the wrong time” in the event of a terrorist action is a concern for residents and visitors. U.S. tourists or residents in Greece should remain vigilant, exercise caution, and monitor local developments.

Some current terrorist organizations are aligned with the ideology of the older Marxist terrorist group November 17 (N17) which targeted Greek businessmen and officials, as well as officials from NATO countries in Greece, from the mid-1970s until the early part of this decade. N17 terrorists murdered 23 people, including five U.S. Government employees.

Strikes and demonstrations are a regular occurrence. Greece is a stable democracy and these activities for the most part are orderly and lawful. However, a wave of incidents started when a teenager was shot and killed in an encounter with the police in December 2008. Incidents occurred throughout Greece, but the primary sources of violence were in Athens and Thessaloniki. Protestors there engaged in violent confrontations with the police and carried out destructive vandalism and rioting in localized areas, some of which are areas frequented by tourists, injuring numerous police officers. Riot control procedures often include the use of tear gas. Visitors should keep abreast of news about demonstrations from local news sources and hotel security. When there are demonstrations, visitors should be aware of and avoid places where demonstrators frequently congregate, such as the Polytechnic University area, Exarchia, Omonia, and Syntagma Squares in Athens, and Aristotle Square in Thessaloniki. The Omonia and Exharchia areas of Athens are at particular risk for crime and politically-motivated violence; U.S. Embassy personnel and their families have been urged strongly to avoid these areas between 9 pm and dawn.

University campuses are exploited as refuges by anarchists and those involved in crime and Greek police are generally prohibited from entering their premises.
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby linguoboy » Tue 30 Jun 2009 2:07 am

I'm not sure what that last post was meant to prove, Delo. France also has smuggling problems, armed terrorist groups, frequent strikes, and explosive riots when teenagers are killed fleeing police. This doesn't have any bearing on its minority policy (though this is also deplorable, albeit not quite in the same league as Greece's)
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Delodephius » Tue 30 Jun 2009 7:32 am

Nothing except that those problems do exist in Greece.
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby linguoboy » Tue 30 Jun 2009 1:40 pm

Delodephius wrote:Nothing except that those problems do exist in Greece.

Who claimed that they didn't? And, again, what does this have to do with their human rights record, which is what I thought this thread was about?
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Delodephius » Tue 30 Jun 2009 2:49 pm

Well, protests and vandalisms are many times also directed against people who are supporters of minorities in Greece. Nationalistic parties openly threaten all who don't recognize the "purity" of the Greek state, whether they are Greek citizens or foreigners.
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby linguoboy » Tue 30 Jun 2009 2:53 pm

Delodephius wrote:Nationalistic parties openly threaten all who don't recognize the "purity" of the Greek state, whether they are Greek citizens or foreigners.

Tell me a European country where this isn't the case!
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Delodephius » Tue 30 Jun 2009 3:22 pm

I don't know. To my knowledge we don't get that here in Vojvodina. I think it is prohibited by a law that was passed last year, that under the threat of disbanding the party or imprisonment of its members, hate speech is forbidden. I don't know if this law counts only in Vojvodina or whole of the Republic of Serbia. Down in Serbia proper they don't have much laws against minority rights abuses.
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Re: Greece, a perfect example of barbaric country?

Postby Anders » Tue 30 Jun 2009 4:13 pm

linguoboy wrote:
Delodephius wrote:Nationalistic parties openly threaten all who don't recognize the "purity" of the Greek state, whether they are Greek citizens or foreigners.

Tell me a European country where this isn't the case!

In Sweden it is the politicly correct ones who say that all swedish citicens are swedes. The nationalists are the ones who say that a person who is an immigrant with swedish citicenship is not a swede.
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