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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby Delodephius » Thu 07 May 2009 11:19 am

Is it racism if I find people of the Mongoloid race unattractive?
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby rickardspaghetti » Thu 07 May 2009 1:59 pm

No. Unattractive and inferior are not the same things.
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby linguoboy » Thu 07 May 2009 2:09 pm

Delodephius wrote:Is it racism if I find people of the Mongoloid race unattractive?

Depends what definition of "racism" you're using. Strictly speaking, any categorical statement about an entire "race" of people could be termed "racist", but most people reserve this term for discrimination based on race (institutional or otherwise). For this reason, I've heard the alternative "racialist" for "generalising based on racial categories, but not necessarily in a discriminatory way".

Personally, I find such statements odd. I find, for instance, South Asians attractive much more of the time than East Asians, but this is a matter of relative proportion rather than categorical exclusion. Some of the most beautiful men and women I've ever seen are "of the Mongoloid race".
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby kaenif » Thu 07 May 2009 2:53 pm

Can I just talk about the characteristics of these places I don't want to go?
If I can choose, I wouldn't go to places with:
- high crime rate, unsafe
- nothing special to find, nothing to do
- unacceptable food
- diseases
- few or no ways to contact people in my hometown

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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby Delodephius » Thu 07 May 2009 3:09 pm

linguoboy wrote:
Delodephius wrote:Is it racism if I find people of the Mongoloid race unattractive?

Depends what definition of "racism" you're using. Strictly speaking, any categorical statement about an entire "race" of people could be termed "racist", but most people reserve this term for discrimination based on race (institutional or otherwise). For this reason, I've heard the alternative "racialist" for "generalising based on racial categories, but not necessarily in a discriminatory way".

Personally, I find such statements odd. I find, for instance, South Asians attractive much more of the time than East Asians, but this is a matter of relative proportion rather than categorical exclusion. Some of the most beautiful men and women I've ever seen are "of the Mongoloid race".


From where I come we use Mongoloid when referring to the race. I don't know which is the most appropriate term in English. Colloquially we call them Yellows, like Blacks and Whites. My native language is very direct and we are unfamiliar with "Political Correctness" so I apologize.

I'm not being discriminatory that's for sure.
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby linguoboy » Thu 07 May 2009 5:39 pm

Delodephius wrote:From where I come we use Mongoloid when referring to the race. I don't know which is the most appropriate term in English.

"Mongoloid" as a racial term sounds like something out of a 100 year-old textbook. Most people in the US would simply say "Asians", which in everyday use excludes South Asians ("Indians") and Southwestern Asians ("Middle Easterners").

Moreover, the notion that "race" corresponds to any kind of objectively-determined biological reality is also fairly quaint as well. Nowadays it's generally accepted that racial categories are primarily if not solely social constructs.
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Postby ILuvEire » Thu 07 May 2009 5:52 pm

While we're talking about this, I would like to mention that I think South Asians (this is India, right?) are beautiful! Indian women are ten times more attractive than any anorexic Hollywood starlet.
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby linguoboy » Thu 07 May 2009 6:28 pm

ILuvEire wrote:While we're talking about this, I would like to mention that I think South Asians (this is India, right?) are beautiful!

"South Asia" is more than just India. At a minimum, it also includes Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. Often Afghanistan is included as well and, more rarely, Burma and Tibet.

ILuvEire wrote:Indian women are ten times more attractive than any anorexic Hollywood starlet.

Do you really find Bollywood starlets less anorexic? Aishwarya Rai is 55 kg, which is considered the very low end of healthy for a 170-cm. woman with a slim build.
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby Sobekhotep » Thu 07 May 2009 11:25 pm

kaenif wrote:China isn't that bad.

Not as bad as Sudan or North Korea, no.
But you live in Hong Kong so you don't have to deal with the "true" China.

linguoboy wrote:Moreover, the notion that "race" corresponds to any kind of objectively-determined biological reality is also fairly quaint as well. Nowadays it's generally accepted that racial categories are primarily if not solely social constructs.

I was under the impression that using "race" to classify humans is an obsolete concept.
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Re: Countries or parts of the world you wouldn't want to go to

Postby Delodephius » Thu 07 May 2009 11:56 pm

At college we were taught the Caucasian sub-races that were typical for Slavs. I later did a bit of research and as far as I can tell I'm a mixture of the Alpinid and Baltid sub-races. It was in the Slavic Studies class when we were going through the section "Anthropology aspect" of Slavs (there were other sections of other aspects: linguistical, confessional, ethnic, cultural, etc.). So basically, from where I come the concept of race is still used to classify humans. Living in a nearly 100% white community there is also a high level of bias and stereotyping, but then again most people, like my 84 year-old grandfather, have never seen a black or a yellow man in their whole life and wouldn't really have an opinion about them. And I'm pretty sure old people would be scared of a black person if it walked even down the street. Not because they would associate it with crime or violence, they don't know about those, but because the person's very appearance would be frightening to them. They only saw people of different colour on TV, and here people think that only local events and things are real. What happens in the rest of the world does not only not concern them, but it is in a way also a semi-fantasy, not really that real.
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