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	<title>Comments on: Riviera Lloegr / The English Riviera</title>
	<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/</link>
	<description>language-related musings - one language is never enough / no n'hi ha prou amb una llengua</description>
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		<title>by: George</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-58590</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you for bringing such nice posts. Your blog is always fascinating to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for bringing such nice posts. Your blog is always fascinating to read.
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		<title>by: Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57655</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. It is always great pleasure to read your posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. It is always great pleasure to read your posts.
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		<title>by: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57640</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Owein - &quot;Fawlty Towers&quot; was based on a real hotel in Torquay called the Gleneagles, where John Cleese and the rest of the Pythons stayed filming while Monty Python's Flying Circus TV series in the early 1970s. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fawltysite.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More details are available here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owein - &#8220;Fawlty Towers&#8221; was based on a real hotel in Torquay called the Gleneagles, where John Cleese and the rest of the Pythons stayed filming while Monty Python&#8217;s Flying Circus TV series in the early 1970s. <a href="http://www.fawltysite.net/" rel="nofollow">More details are available here</a>.
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		<title>by: Owein</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57638</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 06:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Isn't Torquay the supposed to be where John Cleese's &quot;Fawlty Towers&quot; took place? I remember the idea of it being the &quot;English Riviera&quot; seemed to be played as an inside joke on the show... people complaining about not seeing the sea from their windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Torquay the supposed to be where John Cleese&#8217;s &#8220;Fawlty Towers&#8221; took place? I remember the idea of it being the &#8220;English Riviera&#8221; seemed to be played as an inside joke on the show&#8230; people complaining about not seeing the sea from their windows.
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		<title>by: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57629</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Diolch am y ddolen Simon.

Thanks for the link Simon, I'll certainly try and make the effort to visit the area.  It's a shame that many more tourism sites in Wales itself would make more use of Welsh.  The Welsh tourist board either doesn't think there's such a thing as internal tourism or that there's no point bothering with Welsh.  I'd go as far as to suggest that Welsh speakers are more likely to holiday in Wales than non-Welsh speaking Welsh people, but I have no data to back that up.

@ Joe, regarding the lack of use of Welsh (and other Celtic languages) in tourism advertising in Wales, I'd put it down to &lt;i&gt;lack of familiarity with them in most of the country&lt;/i&gt; This lack of familiarity exists in Wales.  On one hand I'd put this down to the fact* that a lot of bosses in the tourism industry (both public and private sector) are from outside Wales, usually England, but having said that English people are more likely to have visited the sceinic Welsh speaking heartlands of the north and south west as tourists themselves compared to the majority of non-Welsh speakers from south east Wales.

*agian I have no stats to back this claim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diolch am y ddolen Simon.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link Simon, I&#8217;ll certainly try and make the effort to visit the area.  It&#8217;s a shame that many more tourism sites in Wales itself would make more use of Welsh.  The Welsh tourist board either doesn&#8217;t think there&#8217;s such a thing as internal tourism or that there&#8217;s no point bothering with Welsh.  I&#8217;d go as far as to suggest that Welsh speakers are more likely to holiday in Wales than non-Welsh speaking Welsh people, but I have no data to back that up.</p>
<p>@ Joe, regarding the lack of use of Welsh (and other Celtic languages) in tourism advertising in Wales, I&#8217;d put it down to <i>lack of familiarity with them in most of the country</i> This lack of familiarity exists in Wales.  On one hand I&#8217;d put this down to the fact* that a lot of bosses in the tourism industry (both public and private sector) are from outside Wales, usually England, but having said that English people are more likely to have visited the sceinic Welsh speaking heartlands of the north and south west as tourists themselves compared to the majority of non-Welsh speakers from south east Wales.</p>
<p>*agian I have no stats to back this claim
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		<title>by: Minstrel Ayreon</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57628</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 13:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe--

Exclusion--the suppression of a language--is not what I think most reasonable people are talking about.  I do think there needs to be a common language in order to bind a people and a culture together...I think that what most *reasonable* people are advocating is that people become bilingual: cultivating their English skills AND keeping up with whatever their native language is.  (And in reverse, in my case I believe that native English speakers ought to learn at least one language that is not theirs.)</description>
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<p>Exclusion&#8211;the suppression of a language&#8211;is not what I think most reasonable people are talking about.  I do think there needs to be a common language in order to bind a people and a culture together&#8230;I think that what most *reasonable* people are advocating is that people become bilingual: cultivating their English skills AND keeping up with whatever their native language is.  (And in reverse, in my case I believe that native English speakers ought to learn at least one language that is not theirs.)
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		<title>by: Joe DeRose</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57619</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm curious, is there any substantial English-only sentiment in the U.K.?  Or is inclusion of Welsh and other non-English traditional languages limited only by lack of familiarity with them in most of the country?  Or is there some more nuanced approach to other languages (e.g., Welsh is okay, but Spanish is not)?

Here in the U.S., of course, the English-only sentiment is reaching plague-like levels.  And is particularly galling in that we are unambiguously a multi-lingual country:  As long as we insist on retaining Spanish-speaking Puerto Rico as a territory, the arguments for excluding Spanish are self-evidently unethical.  And that doesn't even get into issues like Hawai'ian, French (indigenous in southern Louisiana), German (indigenous in parts of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the Upper Midwest), and all of the native languages.

-- Joe / Atlanta / USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious, is there any substantial English-only sentiment in the U.K.?  Or is inclusion of Welsh and other non-English traditional languages limited only by lack of familiarity with them in most of the country?  Or is there some more nuanced approach to other languages (e.g., Welsh is okay, but Spanish is not)?</p>
<p>Here in the U.S., of course, the English-only sentiment is reaching plague-like levels.  And is particularly galling in that we are unambiguously a multi-lingual country:  As long as we insist on retaining Spanish-speaking Puerto Rico as a territory, the arguments for excluding Spanish are self-evidently unethical.  And that doesn&#8217;t even get into issues like Hawai&#8217;ian, French (indigenous in southern Louisiana), German (indigenous in parts of Pennsylvania, Maryland, and the Upper Midwest), and all of the native languages.</p>
<p>&#8211; Joe / Atlanta / USA
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		<title>by: Polly</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2007/08/14/riviera-lloegr/#comment-57618</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;but has a fondness and commitment to preserving the language.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;Save the Wales&quot;?

Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>but has a fondness and commitment to preserving the language.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Save the Wales&#8221;?</p>
<p>Sorry.
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