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		<title>by: Lily</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-74954</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dear Mr. Budzul,

Times change, you know. Now Ukraine, which as a matter of fact is my native country, is independent and there's no reason why you should refer to it using a definite article. And about your phrase that &quot;why should smb tell the Americans etc. how to refer to a country&quot;, you can still use &quot;the Ukraine&quot; if you are an ignorant person and don't care much about the feelings of others. Anyway, choose whatever you like, it's just that I don't understand some people who are stubborn enough (or incapable) of learning a new name!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Budzul,</p>
<p>Times change, you know. Now Ukraine, which as a matter of fact is my native country, is independent and there&#8217;s no reason why you should refer to it using a definite article. And about your phrase that &#8220;why should smb tell the Americans etc. how to refer to a country&#8221;, you can still use &#8220;the Ukraine&#8221; if you are an ignorant person and don&#8217;t care much about the feelings of others. Anyway, choose whatever you like, it&#8217;s just that I don&#8217;t understand some people who are stubborn enough (or incapable) of learning a new name!
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		<title>by: Robert Budzul</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-68119</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I remember reading once that the definite article with countries was used if the country was also the name of a river or mountain.  Or was that for German?  Can't remember now.

Certainly it was always 'the Ukraine' for some reason...  Another mystery.  I still find it rather strange that Ukraine has decided that it's belittling to be called 'the Ukraine' and so has changed it's name.

But what really amazes me is the following: How can a country tell the English, Americans, Australians etc. how to pronounce it's name or what to call it.  

Is it logical that China can tell the English-speakers what to call Peking/Beijing, but they don't bother telling Russians what they should call it, so they can continue to use Peking...  I think people would laugh if the English decided that they didn't like the characters that were being used for certain English towns and so felt the need to tell the Chinese how to speak their own language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading once that the definite article with countries was used if the country was also the name of a river or mountain.  Or was that for German?  Can&#8217;t remember now.</p>
<p>Certainly it was always &#8216;the Ukraine&#8217; for some reason&#8230;  Another mystery.  I still find it rather strange that Ukraine has decided that it&#8217;s belittling to be called &#8216;the Ukraine&#8217; and so has changed it&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>But what really amazes me is the following: How can a country tell the English, Americans, Australians etc. how to pronounce it&#8217;s name or what to call it.  </p>
<p>Is it logical that China can tell the English-speakers what to call Peking/Beijing, but they don&#8217;t bother telling Russians what they should call it, so they can continue to use Peking&#8230;  I think people would laugh if the English decided that they didn&#8217;t like the characters that were being used for certain English towns and so felt the need to tell the Chinese how to speak their own language.
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		<title>by: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-61085</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Saraphim, it does exist in some other languages, closest to me being Hungarian. See for example a downloadable PDF (search for &quot;definite articles&quot;) here: http://linguistics.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/dryer.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saraphim, it does exist in some other languages, closest to me being Hungarian. See for example a downloadable PDF (search for &#8220;definite articles&#8221;) here: <a href='http://linguistics.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/dryer.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://linguistics.buffalo.edu/people/faculty/dryer/dryer/dryer.htm</a>
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		<title>by: Seraphim Winslow</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-39244</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Does anybody know if a system like the definite/indefinite article system exists in any other languages beside Indo-European and Semitic ones?</description>
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		<title>by: Ernest Adams</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-24792</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Older British people still say &quot;the Lebanon&quot; and &quot;the Sudan.&quot; I'm not sure why, but it may well reflect (as already suggested) a period when these were geographic regions that were part of larger administrative units. In the case of Sudan, it was occupied jointly by the British and the Egyptians for some time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Older British people still say &#8220;the Lebanon&#8221; and &#8220;the Sudan.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure why, but it may well reflect (as already suggested) a period when these were geographic regions that were part of larger administrative units. In the case of Sudan, it was occupied jointly by the British and the Egyptians for some time.
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		<title>by: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-7277</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There's an explanation of why it's called 'the' Bronx and the origins of the name Bronx &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6598&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an explanation of why it&#8217;s called &#8216;the&#8217; Bronx and the origins of the name Bronx <a href="http://www.wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6598">here</a>.
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		<title>by: KT</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-7264</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 02:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wish I found this site MONTHS ago! One day this question just popped into my head: Why is the the Bronx called 'the' Bronx and nowhere else is? It's not &quot;the Manhattan&quot;, &quot;the Queens&quot; ... I never did figure it out. It makes sense that we call it 'the US' because there are definite states that make up (the United States of) America so it needs the definite article. I guess the real question is, what's a Bronx?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I found this site MONTHS ago! One day this question just popped into my head: Why is the the Bronx called &#8216;the&#8217; Bronx and nowhere else is? It&#8217;s not &#8220;the Manhattan&#8221;, &#8220;the Queens&#8221; &#8230; I never did figure it out. It makes sense that we call it &#8216;the US&#8217; because there are definite states that make up (the United States of) America so it needs the definite article. I guess the real question is, what&#8217;s a Bronx?
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		<title>by: Chibi</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-6986</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Declan: die USA, die Niederlande ;) Same as English.</description>
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		<title>by: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-6963</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As far as I can tell, definite countries are often plural.  The Netherlands probably refers to more than one nether land, just like the Philippines refers to more than one Philippine and there is more than one state united in America.

Singular nouns in English are most often used with an article or a pronoun.  I can't think of a situation where I would refer to &quot;kingdom.&quot;  A person might refer to &quot;a kingdom&quot; or &quot;the kingdom&quot; or &quot;his kingdom,&quot; but never just &quot;kingdom.&quot;

Here in the USA, we refer to regions such as the Midwest or the South.  I suspect the same follows in other English-speaking countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I can tell, definite countries are often plural.  The Netherlands probably refers to more than one nether land, just like the Philippines refers to more than one Philippine and there is more than one state united in America.</p>
<p>Singular nouns in English are most often used with an article or a pronoun.  I can&#8217;t think of a situation where I would refer to &#8220;kingdom.&#8221;  A person might refer to &#8220;a kingdom&#8221; or &#8220;the kingdom&#8221; or &#8220;his kingdom,&#8221; but never just &#8220;kingdom.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here in the USA, we refer to regions such as the Midwest or the South.  I suspect the same follows in other English-speaking countries.
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		<title>by: TJ</title>
		<link>http://www.omniglot.com/blog/2006/08/18/definite-countries/#comment-6860</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 09:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jared: maybe because the name of the country was originally in the past an adjective used to denote a group of people then transformed into a name for a whole land. Adjectives can have definite article as wel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared: maybe because the name of the country was originally in the past an adjective used to denote a group of people then transformed into a name for a whole land. Adjectives can have definite article as wel!
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